Advice given by H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi:
Bhavasagara is the ocean of illusion in which we live.
(2nd Public program, Melbourne, 9/3/83)
Now, there is the existence, there is the creation, creative force, and there is the evolutionary force - all inside the Virata state. Now, this is at the Vaikuntha state, we say, because this state is on the first reflection. It is not in us – or we cannot feel it, the Vaikuntha state, because it is in the first. Then another state was created, then third was created, then the fourth one is the Bhavasagara, is the state at which all of us were born.
First, in the fourth state, - now, can you think of a four strata personality which is facing a mirror? Now, which is the first one shows? - is the topmost. And that’s why the topmost shows is the Bhavasagara. But if you can go deep down into your state, you can feel all the other three. But first of all, the one which you can see and feel it, is the Bhavasagara. So, you are born in the Bhavasagara. At this state you are at the Bhavasagara state. At this Bhavasagara state, now, you are created and you have to evolve.
(Talk on Creation, New Delhi, 22/2/77)
So first He [God Almighty] desired and He wanted to create. So He had to have his aspect of creator being put in and the second aspect of creator (can you show?) is the, this yellow line that shows here is the Pingala Nadi, called as Adi Pingala, the primordial Pingala channel by which He has created this universe. Now the center of this figure you can find this green round circle and this one is the one, is the space in which He created. He created in this space and that’s why this space is called as Bhavasagara. Is the Ocean of Creation. Bhava is the one that is created. Bhu, Bhava means the one… exactly it is the one that is done. Bhava is done, means created. So the Creator then produces all the stars and all the galaxies, solar plexus, lunar plexuses, all the so-called mandalas. He does all that work.
(Talk at Caxton Hall, London, 11/6/79)
Within us as you know in all of us there lies the principle of Guru. It’s very interesting to notice the Guru principle being drawn beautifully round the Nabhi chakra. We never see any chakras connected with the Guru principle. You see Nabhi and around is the Bhavasagara. So this Bhavasagara, which is the ocean of illusion, cannot be the Guru. So there are hidden chakras within this Bhavasagara within us, which are to be awakened and to be brought to light, to be manifested. As you can see that the limits of this principle are done by the movement of the Swadisthana chakra. Swadisthan is the chakra which gives you first and foremost thing is the creativity. A person who is a Guru has to be creative by nature, if you are not a creative person you cannot become a Guru. For example, you are faced with disciples with whom you have to converse, you have to create a word of Divine magic to impress on the disciples or the people who are attracted towards you as Gurus to show that you have much more Divine magic than them.
(Guru Puja 1989)
2.7.09
1.7.09
Guru Puja 1979
Today is the full Moon day, that’s why it is called as purnima. The guru has to be like a full moon, means completely growing, completely matured. There are sixteen kalas or the phases of the Moon, and when the complete purnima comes in, the full Moon day, all the sixteen kalas are completed. You also know that in the Vishuddhi chakra there are sixteen sub plexuses. When Krishna is described as Virata, He’s called as the Sampurna, the complete incarnation of Vishnu’s aspect, because He’s got the sixteen phases completely done. So today’s number is sixteen. Six plus one, seven.
Now we have to understand the importance of guru. Why should we have a guru when we have God? We’ve got Shakti, then why should we have a guru? What is the need to have a guru? Guru means the weight, the weight. We get our weight from the magnetic forces of the gravity of the Mother Earth. So guru means gravity, a gravity in a person. Why do we need a guru? Because to know God is easy, specially in Sahaja Yoga, to be one with Him. As soon as you get your Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga, the modern Sahaja Yoga, immediately you become entitled to give realizations to other. It was said that guru is the person who makes you meet the Divine. That’s not true, because any self-realized person in the Sahaja Yoga can raise the Kundalini and can give Self-realization to others, immediately after they have touched the Sahasrara or opened the Sahasrara. But normally a realized soul cannot do it. Any born realized soul cannot do it on its own, it has to have authority of Me as I am today
That’s why it was said that guru is a person who makes you meet God; he raises the Kundalini and makes you one with God. Because in those days when the gurus were self realized, when the gurus were realized, they had the authority and power of raising the Kundalini only after they had reached a very great state of evolution – complete purification, complete detachment.
So it was not possible for people to give realization when they just touched realized state. Most of the gurus in the olden days started by first cleansing the people. First cleanse them, one by one, raise the Kundalini, brought it to every chakra and then gave them realization. It was a different technique altogether. You can say it was a bullock cart technique.
That’s why one mantra was given for particular chakra where was the problem, where the Kundalini was stopping. For about, some people used to get it for even for 10 years they would work out on one chakra. I’ve known people who have been working on Agyna for 10 years, 20 years. But you know in Sahaja Yoga we clear it out just like that. That has something to do with your particular guna.
So the first conception that a person who makes you meet God is the guru. Has to be little bit advanced because for you now it’s a child's play to raise the Kundalini and make them one with the divine. But still you don’t become guru in the Sahaja Yoga terminology. Even if you have vikalpas, you have doubts about Sahaja Yoga still you can raise the Kundalini. Even when your chitta, attention, is not clear cut still you can.. the pure truth, how? How it has worked out that way, so beautifully?
It has worked out I would say at this juncture, maybe later on I will tell you. But its pure divine, which is not contaminated by whatever state you may be, its flowing, absolutely pure divine. With others it was different, they had to cleanse it, clear it out. As an instrument you are perfect, but as a guru you are not.
Whatever maybe your defects or whatever you maybe lacking, you raise your hands the Kundalini will vibrate at your beck and call. On your fingers it is going to vibrate tremendous power. You can ask anyone they’ll tell you they are surprised and jealous of you. They can’t understand that how by raising your fingers that you are perfect instruments because you are created by somebody very perfect. But you are not perfect gurus, that one has to understand.
H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, extract from Guru Puja, London, 1979
Now we have to understand the importance of guru. Why should we have a guru when we have God? We’ve got Shakti, then why should we have a guru? What is the need to have a guru? Guru means the weight, the weight. We get our weight from the magnetic forces of the gravity of the Mother Earth. So guru means gravity, a gravity in a person. Why do we need a guru? Because to know God is easy, specially in Sahaja Yoga, to be one with Him. As soon as you get your Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga, the modern Sahaja Yoga, immediately you become entitled to give realizations to other. It was said that guru is the person who makes you meet the Divine. That’s not true, because any self-realized person in the Sahaja Yoga can raise the Kundalini and can give Self-realization to others, immediately after they have touched the Sahasrara or opened the Sahasrara. But normally a realized soul cannot do it. Any born realized soul cannot do it on its own, it has to have authority of Me as I am today
That’s why it was said that guru is a person who makes you meet God; he raises the Kundalini and makes you one with God. Because in those days when the gurus were self realized, when the gurus were realized, they had the authority and power of raising the Kundalini only after they had reached a very great state of evolution – complete purification, complete detachment.
So it was not possible for people to give realization when they just touched realized state. Most of the gurus in the olden days started by first cleansing the people. First cleanse them, one by one, raise the Kundalini, brought it to every chakra and then gave them realization. It was a different technique altogether. You can say it was a bullock cart technique.
That’s why one mantra was given for particular chakra where was the problem, where the Kundalini was stopping. For about, some people used to get it for even for 10 years they would work out on one chakra. I’ve known people who have been working on Agyna for 10 years, 20 years. But you know in Sahaja Yoga we clear it out just like that. That has something to do with your particular guna.
So the first conception that a person who makes you meet God is the guru. Has to be little bit advanced because for you now it’s a child's play to raise the Kundalini and make them one with the divine. But still you don’t become guru in the Sahaja Yoga terminology. Even if you have vikalpas, you have doubts about Sahaja Yoga still you can raise the Kundalini. Even when your chitta, attention, is not clear cut still you can.. the pure truth, how? How it has worked out that way, so beautifully?
It has worked out I would say at this juncture, maybe later on I will tell you. But its pure divine, which is not contaminated by whatever state you may be, its flowing, absolutely pure divine. With others it was different, they had to cleanse it, clear it out. As an instrument you are perfect, but as a guru you are not.
Whatever maybe your defects or whatever you maybe lacking, you raise your hands the Kundalini will vibrate at your beck and call. On your fingers it is going to vibrate tremendous power. You can ask anyone they’ll tell you they are surprised and jealous of you. They can’t understand that how by raising your fingers that you are perfect instruments because you are created by somebody very perfect. But you are not perfect gurus, that one has to understand.
H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, extract from Guru Puja, London, 1979
29.6.09
Iran
Some Advice by H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi:
When we really balance our gunas properly, then we become gradually the master of the whole situation. The attention doesn’t get dragged into things that we have been doing or that we have understood through our memories, or through our experiences or whatever it is. And is not also dragged towards too much on the right hand side that we try to overpower, or try to dominate someone. Because if you move too much that side you have seen it becomes blood. It is difficult for people to understand how, when people become very religious-minded, like now Iran, the movement is on the right - all the austerities, all that, everything. Now bloodshed.
(Talk on Attention, London, 26/5/80)
Iran, you know, is in a great trouble. ... But things will work out, you will see. It will work out and the country will change. Its all nonsense, will be over. As it is they are suffering too much. They are very poor and fundamentalism, it is eating them off. They are all fighting among themselves. This is no religion, this is no Islam, this is not what Mohammed Sahib wanted. It is very difficult to explain to them or to tell them about Islam, that this is Islam, and this is what is the truth.
(Talk, Cabella, 6/9/97)
When we really balance our gunas properly, then we become gradually the master of the whole situation. The attention doesn’t get dragged into things that we have been doing or that we have understood through our memories, or through our experiences or whatever it is. And is not also dragged towards too much on the right hand side that we try to overpower, or try to dominate someone. Because if you move too much that side you have seen it becomes blood. It is difficult for people to understand how, when people become very religious-minded, like now Iran, the movement is on the right - all the austerities, all that, everything. Now bloodshed.
(Talk on Attention, London, 26/5/80)
Iran, you know, is in a great trouble. ... But things will work out, you will see. It will work out and the country will change. Its all nonsense, will be over. As it is they are suffering too much. They are very poor and fundamentalism, it is eating them off. They are all fighting among themselves. This is no religion, this is no Islam, this is not what Mohammed Sahib wanted. It is very difficult to explain to them or to tell them about Islam, that this is Islam, and this is what is the truth.
(Talk, Cabella, 6/9/97)
28.6.09
Ritualism
First of all, we should see that how our conditioning takes over our innocence. It makes you extremely ritualistic. Even in Sahaja Yoga, I’ve seen, I’ve heard also, that people are extremely, extremely ritualistic. Now the ritualism is like this: that you have to say something three times, you say it three times, seven times like tied up people. I’ve seen some Sahaja Yogis like that. ...
So one should understand a difference between a protocol and ritualism. An innocent child knows the protocol. ... So for children, you see, innocent children, the worship, everything is not ritualistic. It is heartfelt. You feel it from the heart: how to do the worship, how to show your love. Is very sweet way an innocent person does it; while a person who is very ritualistic, he may even beat another person because, “Why did you do this? You should not have put camphor in it? Why did you put the camphor so? It's very wrong.” There’s nothing wrong. If you do it with your heart, with your open heart, innocently, anything is all right. It is the open heart which is necessary, not the closed heart — “Why did you do it? Why didn’t you do it? Where did you sit? What happened?” Nothing.
Now you are in the Kingdom of God and here there are no such rules and regulations that you should be ritualistic.
H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, extract from Shri Ganesha Puja 1993
Quietness within, peace within, that’s very important. If there is peace you will grow. There’s no other way out. But you see, all this ritualism, sometimes giving bandhan all the time or raising Kundalini all the time and people even would like to see the table if it has vibrations, you see. That’s going too far. There’s no need to do all that nonsense. Sahaja Yoga is sense, it’s not nonsense.
(Talk in Armonk, New York, 27/7/88)
Is not necessary to have this ritualism, this kind of a rigmarole. Oh, all the time you go in. Everyday, morning till evening, nonsensical these things and they become fanatic. They start becoming absolutely fanatic about Sahaja yoga and this fanaticism can be very dangerous because they try to remember everything by heart this and that. No, not necessary.
(Shri Adi Shakti Puja 1995)
You must know what you are. First of all introspect. Accordingly you should work it out, but this ritualism is not allowed in Sahaja Yoga all the time.
(Christmas Puja 1997)
So one should understand a difference between a protocol and ritualism. An innocent child knows the protocol. ... So for children, you see, innocent children, the worship, everything is not ritualistic. It is heartfelt. You feel it from the heart: how to do the worship, how to show your love. Is very sweet way an innocent person does it; while a person who is very ritualistic, he may even beat another person because, “Why did you do this? You should not have put camphor in it? Why did you put the camphor so? It's very wrong.” There’s nothing wrong. If you do it with your heart, with your open heart, innocently, anything is all right. It is the open heart which is necessary, not the closed heart — “Why did you do it? Why didn’t you do it? Where did you sit? What happened?” Nothing.
Now you are in the Kingdom of God and here there are no such rules and regulations that you should be ritualistic.
H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, extract from Shri Ganesha Puja 1993
Quietness within, peace within, that’s very important. If there is peace you will grow. There’s no other way out. But you see, all this ritualism, sometimes giving bandhan all the time or raising Kundalini all the time and people even would like to see the table if it has vibrations, you see. That’s going too far. There’s no need to do all that nonsense. Sahaja Yoga is sense, it’s not nonsense.
(Talk in Armonk, New York, 27/7/88)
Is not necessary to have this ritualism, this kind of a rigmarole. Oh, all the time you go in. Everyday, morning till evening, nonsensical these things and they become fanatic. They start becoming absolutely fanatic about Sahaja yoga and this fanaticism can be very dangerous because they try to remember everything by heart this and that. No, not necessary.
(Shri Adi Shakti Puja 1995)
You must know what you are. First of all introspect. Accordingly you should work it out, but this ritualism is not allowed in Sahaja Yoga all the time.
(Christmas Puja 1997)
26.6.09
The Mirror
In this beautiful surround, surroundings many of you are wondering why God has created these beautiful things. Because you people had to come on this Earth and enjoy the beauty that is one of the reasons. And now God feels very much fulfilled with the joy and satisfaction and a kind of a completion of His desire. Why God has created this beautiful universe has been a question asked for thousands of years. The reason is very simple to understand. This beauty that is created cannot see itself. In the same way God who is the source of beauty, beauty cannot see His own beauty. Like a pearl cannot enter into itself to see its beauty. Like the sky cannot understand its own beauty. The stars cannot see their own beauty. The Sun cannot behold its own brilliance. In the same way God Almighty cannot behold His own being. He needs a mirror. And that's how He has created this beautiful universe as His mirror. In this mirror He has created now the beautiful things like the Sun. The Sun has to see His own reflection also. So He has created these beautiful trees to see that when He shines they come up so well and look so green.
Then He has created those birds to rise early in the morning to greet the Sun. So the Sun knows that, 'Yes, I am there, I am existing' or else He has created these beautiful lakes for these trees to see their reflection and the lakes to feel their existence when the ripples start moving within themselves. So then He created human beings. The human beings cannot also see their own beauty, their own glory. That's why they are in the darkness. They are ignorant. They cannot see what lies within themselves. So they are running after something which is absolutely against themselves, which is ugliness, which is self destructive. And the struggle to get to reality is such a lot that as a result they destroy themselves. Like people have taken to these drugs, taken to all bad habits, of this place they say a lot of smuggling going on and all such endeavours that people take up because they do not know what beautiful things they are.
So now a mirror has to be created for them, to see for themselves how beautiful they are. Their mirror is their Spirit. That Spirit is to be brought in their consciousness, in their attention. If it comes in their attention then they can see their image. Now this attention that comes in, as in enlightened attention is called in Sanskrit language as Chidabhas is the, is the expression of the attention which is enlightened. But it is also said that it is got a nature, which is very transitory, or we can say which is disappearing every moment to moment. When this is happening what is to be done? For that you have to steady yourself with meditation, with hearing the enlightened talks, by seeing the good things of life without thinking about them, by seeing also the goodness of others and then you start seeing goodness in yourself also.
That is why I always say that one should not feel guilty. Because you are feeling guilty of something, which is just, just a illusion. You are guilty that you have got a shadow. It's something like that. So if you know that you are beautiful beings and that you have got a shadow is nothing to do with you and your beauty. If you can see you own beauty then you will be amazed that within us lies all those joy giving, all those beautiful things, which we are seeing outside but just now, the mirror is not all right. That's why you have to see the nature and the beauty. But, when you are one with yourself then you see all these nature within yourself. All the joy giving qualities of this nature within yourself. So I wanted you to come to this place just to learn how God has created this beautiful area for you people to enjoy and to be here.
May God bless you!
H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Puja at Alibag, Maharashtra, 21/12/86
Then He has created those birds to rise early in the morning to greet the Sun. So the Sun knows that, 'Yes, I am there, I am existing' or else He has created these beautiful lakes for these trees to see their reflection and the lakes to feel their existence when the ripples start moving within themselves. So then He created human beings. The human beings cannot also see their own beauty, their own glory. That's why they are in the darkness. They are ignorant. They cannot see what lies within themselves. So they are running after something which is absolutely against themselves, which is ugliness, which is self destructive. And the struggle to get to reality is such a lot that as a result they destroy themselves. Like people have taken to these drugs, taken to all bad habits, of this place they say a lot of smuggling going on and all such endeavours that people take up because they do not know what beautiful things they are.
So now a mirror has to be created for them, to see for themselves how beautiful they are. Their mirror is their Spirit. That Spirit is to be brought in their consciousness, in their attention. If it comes in their attention then they can see their image. Now this attention that comes in, as in enlightened attention is called in Sanskrit language as Chidabhas is the, is the expression of the attention which is enlightened. But it is also said that it is got a nature, which is very transitory, or we can say which is disappearing every moment to moment. When this is happening what is to be done? For that you have to steady yourself with meditation, with hearing the enlightened talks, by seeing the good things of life without thinking about them, by seeing also the goodness of others and then you start seeing goodness in yourself also.
That is why I always say that one should not feel guilty. Because you are feeling guilty of something, which is just, just a illusion. You are guilty that you have got a shadow. It's something like that. So if you know that you are beautiful beings and that you have got a shadow is nothing to do with you and your beauty. If you can see you own beauty then you will be amazed that within us lies all those joy giving, all those beautiful things, which we are seeing outside but just now, the mirror is not all right. That's why you have to see the nature and the beauty. But, when you are one with yourself then you see all these nature within yourself. All the joy giving qualities of this nature within yourself. So I wanted you to come to this place just to learn how God has created this beautiful area for you people to enjoy and to be here.
May God bless you!
H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Puja at Alibag, Maharashtra, 21/12/86
24.6.09
Abdul Kalam on the future of India
Recently the American journalist (and Sahaj yogini) Priyanka Joshi interviewed the former president of India, A.P.J Abdul Kalam. Here's one extract from a fascinating interview: Q: How do you envision the epic communal divide between Muslims and Hindus bridged in India?
A: Let me tell you a story. The Europeans fought with each other for hundreds of years. They even created two world wars. But today, we see that these same 23 nations have created the European Union. There are rich, not so rich, and poor nations in the EU, and all of them are working towards making Europeans live prosperous, happy lives. So, in India also such changes will happen, in fact throughout the whole world — the earlier the better. To give another example, U.S.A. and U.S.S.R., during the Cold War, generated 10,000 nuclear warheads. Today they are friends. They are saying they are working for world peace, they say they will bring down the number of nuclear warheads. So, historically, this cycle has to come to India too. Good things will happen.
more of this interview
Higher than Sahasrara
Yogi: Shri Mother, could you say something about the Bindu and the higher chakras above that?
Shri Mataji: You see, I don't think you should worry too much about these. There's three stages higher than Sahasrara. I would suggest just now let us concentrate on Sahasrara, is a better idea. But Bindu, Ardha-Bindu and Valaya are the three stages in which one has to pass through later on, and you would pass gradually when you develop yourself horizontally. That's what we have started now, so let us keep to this idea that we have to develop ourself horizontally. We should see how we affect the other person, how we influence another person.
(The need to go deeper, Sydney, Australia, 6/5/87)
(replying to question in Hindi)
This is the trouble with you. You read some nonsensical books – Samadhi, Bindu, this, that, all that. Now please forget it, please forget all these things. Sama-dhi, Samadhi means, first is the Nirvichara Samadhi. First is Nirvichara Samadhi that you achieve and the Kundalini just comes out of your head. Sama-dhi means, the dhi means the buddhi. And when it has got enlightenment it means Samadhi. So first of all, the buddhi gets enlightened - I just now I told you about that only, the first enlightenment. Now, the Bindu and this and that are higher stages. Ardha Bindu, then Bindu and then Valaya. But you should not be futuristic, just now if you have read some book no use trying to show off that. That’s not a good thing. Just try to see what you are. Why do you want to talk about things which - which do not concern at this stage? Just now, supposing you are going by bullock cart, why do you want to ask about the aeroplane? Just now you go by bullock cart, then you get into the train, then you get into the airplane. All right? One by one, not like this.
(Q+A after Talk on Sahasrara Chakra, New Delhi, 4/2/83)
In Sanskrit language, a bangle is called as valaya and that is the last stage which one has to reach in one’s ascent. That means the complete.
(Shri Mahalakshmi Puja, Belgium, 21/9/86)
Sahasrara Puja 1983: The Fourteen Levels
Kaulajnananirnaya Tantra
Shri Mataji: You see, I don't think you should worry too much about these. There's three stages higher than Sahasrara. I would suggest just now let us concentrate on Sahasrara, is a better idea. But Bindu, Ardha-Bindu and Valaya are the three stages in which one has to pass through later on, and you would pass gradually when you develop yourself horizontally. That's what we have started now, so let us keep to this idea that we have to develop ourself horizontally. We should see how we affect the other person, how we influence another person.
(The need to go deeper, Sydney, Australia, 6/5/87)
(replying to question in Hindi)
This is the trouble with you. You read some nonsensical books – Samadhi, Bindu, this, that, all that. Now please forget it, please forget all these things. Sama-dhi, Samadhi means, first is the Nirvichara Samadhi. First is Nirvichara Samadhi that you achieve and the Kundalini just comes out of your head. Sama-dhi means, the dhi means the buddhi. And when it has got enlightenment it means Samadhi. So first of all, the buddhi gets enlightened - I just now I told you about that only, the first enlightenment. Now, the Bindu and this and that are higher stages. Ardha Bindu, then Bindu and then Valaya. But you should not be futuristic, just now if you have read some book no use trying to show off that. That’s not a good thing. Just try to see what you are. Why do you want to talk about things which - which do not concern at this stage? Just now, supposing you are going by bullock cart, why do you want to ask about the aeroplane? Just now you go by bullock cart, then you get into the train, then you get into the airplane. All right? One by one, not like this.
(Q+A after Talk on Sahasrara Chakra, New Delhi, 4/2/83)
In Sanskrit language, a bangle is called as valaya and that is the last stage which one has to reach in one’s ascent. That means the complete.
(Shri Mahalakshmi Puja, Belgium, 21/9/86)
Sahasrara Puja 1983: The Fourteen Levels
Kaulajnananirnaya Tantra
21.6.09
Arthritis
I find many people are not at all aware of their powers and not using them. When you don’t use your powers also Kundalini falls down. Why should She work? She’s not stupid; if you don’t want to use Her for what She has to achieve then why should She worry about you? So She just drops down, She has nothing to do with you. Then suddenly you come out, “Mother I got this trouble, I’ve got that trouble, this happened”. Especially troubles like arthritis and all such troubles come from people who don’t use their vibrations. Give it to the flowers, give it to the trees, give it to anything that is living but don’t shirk it. You need not touch the person but the desire should be ‘whom should I give vibrations?’ Only worry should be ‘whom should I put attention to? Where should I put this energy of mine?’ Once you start using this Divine Power it starts flowing much more, much more and your Mother, the Kundalini, is very happy.
H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, extract from Shri Adi Shakti Puja 1995
They might develop arthritis if they don’t give vibrations, or pain in the joints.
(Sickness and its cure, New Delhi, 9/2/83)
Arthritis is due to too much of vibrations. So if he just touch the thing, the place of arthritis and put your hand outside you can take it out. It’s just taking out of the vibrations. But give yourself a bandhan.
(Informal talk, Vienna, 3/9/83)
H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, extract from Shri Adi Shakti Puja 1995
They might develop arthritis if they don’t give vibrations, or pain in the joints.
(Sickness and its cure, New Delhi, 9/2/83)
Arthritis is due to too much of vibrations. So if he just touch the thing, the place of arthritis and put your hand outside you can take it out. It’s just taking out of the vibrations. But give yourself a bandhan.
(Informal talk, Vienna, 3/9/83)
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