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The Real Becoming

When you start surrendering and the faith comes in, then your awareness rises higher than this, and these small, small, little, little things which have become subtler, they start departing from you. This is the third state where your three gunas you can see, but they do not affect you.

So in the first state you have desire. In the second state, which is a very big thing, you see the desire being fulfilled, but all these subtle things are mixed up with you. In the third state you see them, third stage, but they do not affect you. This is the third stage when one has to see that they do not affect you. You do see catching, but then you do not call catching, you say recording. You think you are an instrument, you are just recording. The effect of that becomes very small, very small. You become so powerful within that the effect of this catching is very little, you just record this effect. This is the third state of your ascent. Now this, at this third state. To rise up to this third state, the only way is complete faith. Faith is - first of all you have to learn certain things about faith. One of them is the protocol, but with faith, if you learn protocol then you will not feel bad about it. But if you're forced onto it, you'll feel bad. You see, the mixture state is still on. ...

So the third awareness comes in where you start seeing all these, recording it. This is the third state. Then the fourth state comes in. In the fourth state - is called as the Turya Dasha, is the fourth state. Turya is the fourth state. In the fourth state you dominate these three gunas, you control all the elements. At this stage, you just say and it works. You have seen yesterday what happened with me. It just works, you become master of these three gunas. Like I used to describe that first you are sitting in the car and somebody's driving you. He uses your left and right side, or you can say, the brake and accelerator, and the car is driven. Then he starts teaching you how to drive. Then you start learning by using your left and right, accelerator and your brake. Then the third stage comes in where you become a driver, but still you are worried about the master who is sitting behind, that still you are doing a mistake, you are doing wrong. But then the fourth stage comes, you become the master. You make others drive. Order here, anyone, order the Sun, order the Moon, order. Order means just tell them, I mean not question of any domination is there. Just desire. Just say it, it works out.

Now this fourth stage is called as Turya Dasha. Then comes the fifth stage in which - I don't want to give you names because you’ll stick on to those. They are not so clear cut. They mingle from each other you see, and they are mixtures. But in Turya state when you mature properly, then you jump into the fifth state, in which you do not even, you do Sankalpa. You do not even determine or say anything. You just, anything slips out of your mouth, may not even slip out - it works. Is a state. There you handle the whole situation, sitting down here. ...

Sitting down here, you know each and every thing. Then not only you have mastered it, but in that you can enter into it. Now, for example, I’ll tell you what. I can enter into your subconscious, into your collective subconscious, into your supraconscious, into all the areas you see, I can if I want to. This is when you have mastered it completely, then you enter into it. When you are the master, then you enter into it. When you're master of this house, you can enter into any place.

Then comes the seventh state and that is the state where you, just you are. Your being there is sufficient. Just being there. Nothing exists, but you - for yourself. Now all these seven states you can reach, because I stand beyond them and I have come down to the first state. I'm trying to pull you out. If you do not drag me down, I can pull you up very fast. So only request is don't drag me down.

That's how the becoming is going to be. Now this is the basics, the scaffold … you can call the basic structure. Now you are filling all the beautiful things in between - how to do it. And all the things can nicely, again, arranged and re-decorated and can be done properly. But this is the basic structure of becoming.

H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmal Devi, extracts from the Talk, 'The Real Becoming', Old Arlesford Seminar, UK, 1980 (1980-0518)

* there is no mention in the transcript of a sixth state.

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